Originally by: Archivian Specialatus

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Originally by: Liang Nuren

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Originally by: Archivian Specialatus

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And I saw an comment about Apocs earlier, about them doing so much DPS at 80km. Well you can push that to about 120km or a little less, and it works out about the same dps as a sniper build but with halve the range and less tank. People seem to forget that the Apoc gets no damage bonus.

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In general, your comment is utter rubbish. I'll address this point though.

No, we didn't "forget" that the Apoc has no damage bonus. The fact that it outdamages a double damage bonused ship (The Tempest) in all possible situations highlights just how broken lasers really are.

TBH, I think it's really funny how you can not understand that the Apoc is the worst offender of the most overpowered battleship lineup on TQ. Once this patch hits, it'll be much worse.

There literally won't be any reason whatsoever to fly a Gallente or Minmatar BS.

-Liang

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Tempest = 1000dps +500dps tank/ can track better and hit harder within 30km. enough tracking to kill nanos. Tempest is also a better sniper, considering it can tank whilst it does it and has a better alpha.
Also you can use a Tempest like a mega.

Bottom line, build the right ship for the job. Again this seems to be a complaint coz people have to actually think about how to build a ship for a job, and know where their own weaknesses lie.

I seen a pirate take on a small mixed fleet in a Tempest. coz he prepared for it. And killed off every bit of fluffy stuff by insta popping most of them.

The Apoc has a very good bonus, which it needed to be honest. But considering that for its bonu, to make good use of it, it still does only a bit more damage than a sniper build and at half the range and with zero tank, in sniper build it hits less, has sniper range and no tank. The Tempest does a little less damage for sniper range the range, bigger alpha and can still tank 500dps.or u could sac the tank for Tracking and have a sniper with better tracking than most.

the main thing is that you are a crap load more versitile in a tempst coz of that one extra midslot and you do more dps. I do think Minmatar BS should be looked at. But much of the problems stated are still around not having the right kit for the right situation, and not using ur brain to build properly and know what u can and cant fight.

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Originally by: Miss KillSome

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Originally by: Vaal Erit

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Edited by: Vaal Erit on 31/07/2008 20:36:21
I'm going to play devil's advocate a bit here but I am a bit secretly glad that blaster boats can't tackle as well as they can anymore. Playing on Tranq right now, it is trivial to tackle any other tanked BS in a Megathron. Sure, you can tell me stories of kiting Megas, but don't tell me vs a good player with good skills that it is the norm and not the rare exception.

Saying that, I have tested BS on Sisi and feel it is too hard a nerf for agility and top speed to be nerfed on BS. Top speed affects agility so nerfing both is a quadruple whammy.

I'm not convinced either way on the new webs yet. You can still track a similar class ship just fine when webbed, but shooting a BC with Large guns does a lot less damage, but really, the only issue with tracking comes when your enemy does a tight 500m-2.5km orbit on you and that is pretty hard to do.

So yeah before you blaster pilots immediately yell at me, BS and blaster speeds and agility need to be on a level where you can tackle something. I kind of like a method of fighting to reduce turret DPS and actually use speed/piloting skill while webbed instead of the 13km sphere of death on Tranq atm.

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Just a heads up:
I'm specced gallente pilot.
I had a friendly PvP duel with my friend, specced minie pilot:

I was running buffer tanked mega with neutrons and faction AM with ogres II (mind, I have 7mil in drones only..) and he was running dual repping phoon with some torps and some *medium* ACs..

He won. Simply. We were sitting at my optimal, I had him dual webbed and he chew through my 45k of armor before I managed to get him out of cap boosters so he couldnt tank anymore.

Dont start about mega beeing supperior at on TQ, coz it isnt..torps got pretty nice buff for starters.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Kalintos Tyl

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i thought thought that ac tempest had 60% of mega damage at optimal. And mega ouydomaged it till 20km ?:D Fail

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What exactly are you referring to?

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